The Seminole used to offer $1/1 LIMIT, and $2/2 LIMIT Hold'em and Stud. Now however, due to the infinite wisdom of the Florida legislature they spread $1/2 No limit, $2/5 no limit, $1-5 Stud and $1/2 Omaha. Sounds terrific right...not as terrific as you'd think...the buy-in is capped @ $100. That's right...$2/5 with a hundo limit, 20x the big blind.
Let's look @ how this might play out...or for that matter actually did. I sit, 2/5, ten handed right behind the button. I muck the first 6 or 7 hands and learn a few things...
- There exist only a few kind of players @ the Seminole...old men who are classic tight and aggressive, young kids from SFU (South Florida University) who are loose and aggressive and about 10% passive calling stations
- The average price to see a flop is $20
- That means I can see 5 flops and lose my buy-in, or be crazy tight and crazy almost Melvin-style aggressive
A happy ending for me; but I hate this kind of poker...I think the buy in is simply too small to play right @ the $2/5 level. So my question for you guys...how much of a difference does initial buy in make? Keep in mind, some stacks @ this table were 6 or 8x the max buy in.
3 comments:
I agree that the buy-in is too low. But to play the devil’s advocate...
If you sit at almost any cash table after it is formed you stand a chance of being at an extreme chip disadvantage from the get go. The longer the table has been established the greater the likelihood that this will be the case. Last month I was in Las Vegas and I do not think I sat at any table where I was not out chipped by at least 10 to 1 by at least 3 people or more. This situation is unfortunate but this is a reason to pull your selective aggression skills off the shelf and give them a work out. When you are seated you should spend some time figuring out who the bullies are. Then start by playing very tight, as in only play when you have good cards to start, with cards like this (AA, KK,…10, 10) for example, push hard early. With middle or small pairs limp if you hit the set let your bullies push you around right into a double up… This will give you a tight image and you can use that to your advantage later. All in all this may not be your standard type of play but switching it up is what poker is all about. Use this as a great teaching experience this will be just another weapon in your arsenal. Aaron you can take their money you have the skills, so STOP WHINING and go win some money. If those are the ground rules then that is what they are. Use them to your advantage, because that is what a good poker player does!
I hope to be one someday!
Cheers,
Greg
Aaron-
I've played at a couple of casinos with low max buy-ins. While it's frustrating at first, if you're able to grow a stack at one of these tables, you can really start accumulating chips quickly without risking getting felted in one hand.
No limit players love deep stack poker, but forget how much deep stack poker can hurt your feelings. Take a 2/5 game at the Borgata with your same scenario. Let's say you've gone on a nice run and your sitting with $1500. You flop your set, and someone shoves on you with a draw. They hit, and you get stacked $1500.
I know there are those that argue that deep stack poker is the only true and pure way to play no limit, and I think that's right for someone trying to make a living at it.
But I've come to embrace the FL casinos. And I'm sure you will too when you have a good session and you ARE one of those guys sitting with 6/8/15x max buy in picking off the shortstacks one by one.
On a side note, I usually don't take too many flops with the original buy in with those types of tables, I would have shoved with the KK (and a lot less)preflop after the repop.
The real fun is when you build your stack and tangle with someone else who is chipped up. You've got the edge against them with deep-stack play, and a lot of mistakes get made.
To answer your question, the max buyin is going to change the game dramatically. In a 2/5 game, it's going to create a lot of akward stacks and you need to identify who is going to get their $200 in the pot with nothing, and who has been grinding it out to get to $200and doesn't want to gamble.
I guess my advice is, try to embrace the buy-in, and look at it as a way to be risk averse in a 2/5 game for the first couple of hours.
And lastly, my mother is in Spring Hill (an hour North of Tampa) and my Grandmother is in Ruskin (a little South), so I'm sure we'll see each other across the felt at Seminole soon.
I'll be easy to spot, I'll be the kid with $1500 at the 2/5...
Cheers,
Bmore
Well well well......
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